Thunderstorm Artis ended up finishing in the Top 5 of American Idol Season 23, but he almost didn’t stick around past the Top 24. In fact, the singer said he technically quit the show before producers “reached out” and convinced him to come back.

Artis opened up about his experience in the singing competition on the Consider It Joy podcast. He reflected on making it through auditions and Hollywood Week, then becoming one of the Top 24 artists who got to travel to Hawaii for another round of competition. Artis said the contestants who made it to the pre-taped Top 24 had to “sign a generic artist and publishing” release.

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